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 12 years agoBeyonder vs toaa  Who wins?PR Beyonder was at the time OMNIPOTENT -- He was supposed to the the TOAA equivalent from his own Megaverse!, it has been retconed a number of times but the retconns are irrelevant to the argument

Beyonders killed LT and destroyed countless universes. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. TOAA have failed. Jul 30, 2018. Normal beyonder loses terribly 13 years ago. -Everything in bleach. Pre Retcon Beyonder was always above TOAA/AAO based on him being millions of times bigger than the entire Marvel multiverse (which is what TOAA/AAO consists of). The Presence decided to wage war with TOAA and gathered an army to fight TOAA TOAA the Marvel god! not the celestial These are the members of the army: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Saints of Killers with. No one is that powerful. @DJSNuva1 said: " Bruce=God Beyonder<God "Not true. Now House Of Ideas 13. TOAA mops the floor with these two. Everything that takes place is his dreams. But this time we use current NON-OMNIPOTENT versions of the characters currently retconned. Beyonder blinking can destroy universes and LON does. Pre-retcon Beyonder was significantly more powerful. TOAA, Prescence, Thanos w/HOTU, Classic Beyonder. While Bruce may have had god's full power (and I doubt that he did) he lacks the. Bait? 1 year ago. CC Goku is outerversal while in Uni Blue, meanwhile Pre retcon Beyonder as far as i know is high outer and has way better feats, apart from being part of a much larger cosmology. He even has some degree of control over it (like when he merged with Vulcan as a being of pure energy to give Vulcan the power he needed). The omniverse in a box feat is really debatable as proof of omniversal level. On the other hand, there are entities – or an entity – that are equal to The. 2. so i think the only characters that can beat him are tier 0 characters like boundless. FAA could stalemate EGDB and (PR) Beyonder, 1v1. 4. They can literally do whatever they want. 1. This is a really difficult fight to answer, because neither have shown any feats that the other wouldn’t theoretically be capable of. Conditions: Everyone except TOAA. Definitely Beyonder. TOAA was the supreme being of the marvel multiverse (interchangeably called universe) and everything in it. A resisting Beyonder isn't stronger than a non-resisting TOAA, because the TOAA can do anything he wants so he never has to resist anything happening to him (I hope that makes sense)Quacken_ 6 mo 6 d. He is the most powerful being in the Marvel Multiverse. s. To them human concepts of time, probabilities, dimensions, cause-and-effect, life, death,. In Marvel he is just that, Above All. Juntai. The beyonders as a race are generally pathetic compared to the Beyonder also, it took a bunch for them to beat LT while PRB was millions of times stronger than him even weakened. . 13. Neutral Close. the Beyonder was the supreme being of the Marvel Universe before the introduction of TOAA or Oblivion. I really can't be asked to go into this but he resides outside of known reality and therefore is not. 3812 transcends them TOAA and The Presence unless you go by ThEy aRe OmNiPoTeNt, Omnipotence and. He was a unstoppable force that none of the abstracts (including Tribunal) could do anything to stop him. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. 2,459 485. Round 3: TOAA vs pre retcon beyonder (not sure if he’s actually omnipotent) Bonus: if all three lose, than TOAA vs all three together This thread is archived New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Coldsocial • Additional comment actions. The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents all the writers). Your response is private Was this worth your time? This helps us sort answers on the page. Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. Round 1: Beyonder Vs ZRound 2: Beyonder Vs Kami TenchiRound 3: Beyonder Vs Truth (FMA). And yes she-hulk can do that as well, but she can also defeat opponents by crumpling up the page, that plot manipulation. If by classic beyonder you mean the most powerful version, then its a stalemate. #1 Edited By TheSuperor. . Agreed. 11 years ago. No . s. Pre Retcon Beyonder was always above TOAA/AAO based on him being millions of times bigger than the entire Marvel multiverse (which is what TOAA/AAO consists of). so he is far from being the strongest in fiction not even top 20 strongest in fiction. Black Friday DEAL: 1 Year Membership for $5. there are many verse bigger and stronger than marvel like DC. But no matter, marvel characters have existed long enough to flick them. Thus the beyonder was never greater than the marvel megaverse (all of the marvel company), nor was he greater than those who controlled him (his superiors aka TOAA). TLT is a servant of TOAA and is below TOAA in terms of power, TLT is able to turn off the infinity gauntlet in the hands of Adam Warlock and beat people like Protoge with a little help from Scathan, judge people like Beyonder, etc and is above people like Eternity, Infinity who are above people like Galactus or Odin who are above space, time. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. Marvel Cinematic Universe is going crazy day by day. In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. That said, TOAA and The Presence are both omnipotent, so neither one of them can actually defeat the other, but at the same time they can both defeat the other, but the other can undo the other, while the other undoes the other's undoing just before the other defeats the other by removing the other except the other removes the other while. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. Ahl God Of Superheroes. "Beyonder stomp "I don't think so! First of most people consider TOAA(fulcrum) to be slightly above Beyonder in the end. Given that he included the IG, its fair to assume that he wanted it to work. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. Beyonder was TOAA before creation or with more precise words, he. The Infinity Gauntlet's range is only the universe and time and space inside the universe. According to Marvel, a single celestial has. TOAA also has some plot manipulation and reality warping feats. Marvel team : Pre-Retcon Molecule Man, The Beyonder & Living Tribunal. I'm thinking Thanos. 3 K The One-Above-All Neither of these two is defined as "The" supreme creator of the marvel omniverse, right, but TOAA seems more similar to such a being (if he indeed represents all the writers). Juntai. Reviews: 0. OTG 1 y 5 mo 27 d. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. 7 years ago. This being, LT is the physical representation of the Will of God, nothing. Both are in character. Alien X with Ascalon vs Phoenix Force fused with Captain Universe and has. The latter is one of the few fights that's actually 10/10, as in there is no conceivable way for Dr. TOAA cannot warp his own creations without tech and The Beyonder was a creation of TOAA with the same power set. ~ Stan Lee Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". This is a simple fight. he is omnipresent. I see through many eyes. ". INB4 LOCK. Manhattan's league. TOAA is the strongest character in fiction because he is the creator of the marvel universe. 1. @hyperbeing said:. Current Beyonder is below the Living Tribunal however. #7. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. No . Gan & The Crimson King are good & evil sides of capital "G" God. Thought Robot without any effort. Heck, even the ones who created said multiverse and pretty casually at that are massively inferior to him. The Beyonder was basically another Omniverse's TOAA. The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. #28 ovy7. I don’t know anything about Anos Voldigoad, but Beyonder beats pretty much anyone so I’ll. Forum Posts. The new retconned ones aren't the same powerwise at all. No they don't, Beyonder (Weather it's Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon) stomps Anti-Spiral and the whole Gurren Lagann universe. Meaning he became everything and everyone. ago. Aug 10, 2018Pre-Retcon Beyonder is the strongest here , he was basically the original TOAA before he got retconned , HOTU made Thanos second to TOAA & he was still manipulated by TOAA during the events of HOTUAnti-Monitor consistently gets knocked around by Kryptonians. There's no way to be better than that, regardless of what Suggsverse tells you. Situation 2:DC easily takes this, just because of the existence of characters like Lucifer, Superman Prime, Darkseid, Anti-Monitor and Manhattan. Living Tribunal cannot and has never once, not ever, enacted beyond universal destructive capabilities without the concent of TOAA. The Beyonder is so beyond that, it is ridiculous. and yes, its the considered the strongest character in fiction by all comicbook/anime forums. 5 T. He was not aware of other Beyonders and misinterpreted his personal universe as everything in existence. Lord Of Shambala 5. Pre-ret Beyonder was not god, and he was not TOAA. He is the most powerful creation in all of Marvel, if not fiction. #2 Stalin-Is-Steel. Respect Sam Howell / SCP-3812 (The SCP Foundation) Scarlet King (SCP) Respect The Scarlet King (SCP Foundation) TOAA (Marvel) Respect One Above All (Marvel, 616) The Beyonder clearly held Scathan's power in deep respect. Juggernaut ToAA and Phoenix they are played out and over-hyped. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. We all know TOAA, but Enigma (Defenders:Beyond #5) and The Lost One (All Out Avengers #4) seem positioned to be more powerful than TOAA. vs. Who will win in a fight between Beyonder and The Presence? Menu. Homelander has Outerversal AP. TOAA also exists outside the comic as the writer and. 9 years ago mysticmedivh'The Beyonder operates on levels unimaginable to me. In general as the Supreme Beings. Beyonder 16. Thus he is more more powerful than Fulcrum who may or may not be associated with TOAA. Prepare for. In the end Jim was a single employee within the company, his actions were- under review by his superiors. TOAA is basically a manifestation of the writer, while featless (except for the creating everything in all infinite marvel verses thing), he is above everything in marvel (since no character can just jump out of the comic and beat him up) If we go by scans the beyonder is a million. beyonder Yep, lol. The One-Above-All is Omnipotent (All Powerful), Omniscient (All Knowing), and Omnipresent (Everywhere). Nope. is above the spectre and Living Tribunal. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. Basically this plays out the same way when he became God Emperor Doom but now all the beyonders he takes power from are pre-retcon beyonders. 0. AFAIK this Spiderman recreated the universe. Beyonder 16. But I just posted in death vs TOAA thread about DC cosmology. Having incubated within a specialized "womb-space" created by his progenitors for an unknown amount of time, the Beyonder eventually became aware of existence apart from his own when a pinhole tore through the fabric of reality due to the of the. The Crimson King decides he's bored and decides to start trolling other verses. Kitsunw. Beyonder would be stomped. Comics Explained thinks that The Lost One is more powerful than the Enigma, but the Enigma seems to be an end-all kind of threat whereas the Lost One seems to be a Beyonder-Hunter kind. You cannot write a more powerful character than him without transforming from a character to a plot device. This could also be used as. Buuuuut, Molecule man currently is back to his old power levels. " No actually there have been 3 different incarnations of the Beyonder with 3 different power levels. I'm not sure how you can put Grant Morrison's "The Writer" character above PM though. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. vs. Dude’s absolutely broken. TOAA vs Johnny would require more context for a battle though. The glory (Dr. He was the TOAA of another mutliverse that came to Marvel's multiverse. 0. Classic Beyonder is the most powerful being ever imagined by TOAA and drawn. Follow 4160. As Beyonder is meant to be from Beyond the Marvel verse. @pisswaterball The Beyond Realm is completely separate from Marvel so TOAA has no control. • 1 year ago. TOBA is just TOAA's alternate persona. It involved, at the time, marvel explaining the potential of other comic mega-verses existing and the fact that each has their own supreme being. . If we assume the latter, then Deku and Bakugo would get destroyed by him and TOAA. 14 years ago. Forum Posts. Hajun via feats and implied power. All Mighty: better feats, bigger multiverse, didn't get KOed by one of his creations. Beyonder came into the story as a result from one of Molecule Man's experiments gone wrong, right, he did not exist before that and his appearence was the. If he was defeated then he’s not the. 0. 8 years ago. @TheLegendary32 said:. Mxy on the other hand erased every universe that ever existed and seemed to be also aware of a author, and Beyonder was described as a god in his own universe, essentially TOAA. The first version of Beyonder should be able to beat anything and anyone in Marvel. 2. omnipotent means infinite power. Follow 77. Beyonder being > Oblivion aint change the fact that Beatrice steamrolles Marvel sans TOAA . Poll Current Lucifer Morningstar vs. Valheim Genshin Impact Minecraft Pokimane Halo Infinite Call of Duty: Warzone Path of Exile Hollow Knight: Silksong Escape from Tarkov Watch Dogs: Legion. Team stomps 50% . Jan 1, 2019. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. TOAA wins because it's stated that Pre-Retcon Beyonder had control of the entire Multiverse excluding 616. As in rough equals with the presence, who is easily Mikey boy. He is the true Monotheistic Supreme God of the Marvel Omniverse and the sole master of the cosmic overseer; The Living Tribunal. He. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa Secret Wars II, 1985. Beyonder might have more impressive feats. So I would say it would have to be the TOAA, seeing how cannonically, Lucifer's multiverse is the same as DC's and Lucifer is so far above literally everyone in that multiverse that few even know he exists. ago. Also, CA Superman's entire ability is to win. Since it's Lt's job to guard the marvel omniverse, and the beyonder discovers the Marvel Universe today, would the LT have the power to stop the Classic Beyonder? As if the LT had never met the Classic. That's it. TOAA vs Beyonder TOAA: Retcon biyotch. I get that TOAA not intervening in the Time. 9 years ago. 10 years ago. Follow 1. (Is a Aspect of true TOAA, probably the Strongest aspect, because he dreams everything in marvel except the HOI, and he dreamed the love and hate the weapons of TOBA, and TOAA,. Neither of. Not even beyonder is that powerful. Dimensions in Cthulhu Mythos are weird, to say the least. 11 years ago. So he could just kill them and the concepts they represent. And what does this mean? He was TOAA before TOAA? I don't get it. Impossibly powerful and unimaginably wise, the Living Trinity's power far outclasses beings like Thanos, Galactus, and the Celestials!. PRB and TOAA are both on equal grounds as Supreme Beings. To me TOAA is the creator (writer/artist). TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. But no matter, marvel characters have existed long enough to flick them. ReplyThe Beyonder is the physical manifestation of the beyond realm itself, the beyond realm is superior/transcendent over the marvel Multiverse in it's entirety, is beyond all planes of reality and myriad dimensions. I get that TOAA not intervening in the Time Runs Out/Secret Wars saga makes it difficult to confirm but, honestly, TOAA can just remove and recreate the omniverse (as implied in Marvel: The End. . Saying that Beyonder is stronger than TOAA is literally trying to say that Beyonder is above omnipotence. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. @majestic99. Team Beyoder: Living Tribunal. No. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. Don't get me wrong, The Beyonder (pre-retcon) is still within top 5 most powerful Comic Characters (likely top 10), but is nowhere near the most powerful fictional character. 14 years ago. beyonder Yep, lol. God Emperor Doom got his powers from the same Beyonders that Phoenix is confirmed to be above, so it doesn’t matter if you want to take the retconned versions or not, Phoenix will always be stronger than Doom. Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre # 493 Team The Spectre Mandrakk is above presence, toaa and all characters here. His powers exceeded that of even abstract entities present in infinite realms, coupled with the LT who holds authority over said entities to the point where their powers are a drop in the ocean to him. TOAA (Shooter/Milgrom) in 85' created Beyonder to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. Beyonder stomps. beyonder Yep, lol. to win. Follow 1. " Current beyonder wins, But lets get this straight: This Kami dude, he is not equivelent to TOAA. #edit #short #shorts #debate #comics #marvel #marvelcomics #alightmotion So you see, in order for TOAA to totally and permanently destroy the "Real" and "True" Beyonder aka the Beyonder God he has to kill Billy219 and everyone who has ever read Secret Wars or knows. It hardly even implies that the last frontier is TOAA while basically directly saying that there are beings stronger than TOAA, And when confronted they will say ‘It obviously means rl, Source: Trust me Bro’ when the only reason it could mean that is because it mentions Loki and Beyonder wanting to go to the Real World. MOM hasn't shown any feats to suggest that he is on the same exact level as TOAA, let alone Pre-Recton Beyonder. Beyonder both times, i find God of stories loki just generally to be wanked by flowery wording and shitty interpretation, hes still currently god of stories and got shit on by Donald Blake who just had some power of Thor and the World Serpant. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. 56 results. Follow 331. Childlike and vastly powerful, he grew up in a universe created by the other Beyonders for their young. Neither of. There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. Characters like LT, God Spawn, and Michael Demiurgos. ago. If Pre-Recton Beyonder and TOAA ever faught, it would end in a stalemate. He stomps all round. Beyonder, if not. Wiki Points. Beyonder is marvel. But the original cover art of the original Beyonder was toying with them making everyone believe he was inferior. Even his counterpart, The One Below All, is actually an alter-ego of himself, not a separate entity. While Beyonder has the power of Marvel writers. Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Untill than this is a stomp and should be closed due to their current levels on the wiki. Thanos Astral Regulator 19. DC team : The Darkest Knight, Perpetua and Doctor Manhattan. 1. Juntai. 4 years ago. IIRC pre-retcon Beyonder. Forum Posts. Azathoth solos. Mysterio Cosmic Comic 9. However, based on what he's acknowledged for, Empty Hand solos arguably all of Marvel, bar TOAA. #. 3 years ago. Bonus round: Chousins vs pre-retcon beyonder . The One Above All (Marvel Comics) + The Presence (DC Comics) CONDITIONS: Versions: Strongest known canon versions. Beyonder h├¿ was the TOAA at that time if not stronger. I mean they give birth to he and his powers. The power of love is said to be a threat. I think Brevoort's answer was a way of taking a dig at Shooter's take on the character and flaunting his power to ret con characters such as Beyonder(prob as being toaa in his own mind). Pre-retcon Beyonder. Max Deen. Beyonder - vs - The One-Above-All # 54. Heck, it was Pre-Retcon Beyonder who was basically the original and first Marvel's Void Abstract, not Oblivion. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. 0 coins. The Great Evil Beast is on the level with The Presence. 1. 7K subscribers Join Subscribe 3K. Beyonder Beyonder Earth-616. Max Deen. 1 Answer. 10 years agoTOAA, Fulcrum Scathan, Taimut post Ascension, PR Beyonder, Molecule Man, Mad Jim Jaspers, Chaos King/Choas War Hercules, OAA the Celestial if he really is more powerful than Scathan, Protege and. We can't scale TOAA to Beyonder because TOAA didn't exist. At the very least, it will be a stalemate. I'm talking about the original version, a Tier 0 character. the fulcrum vs astral regulator thanos vs pre retcon beyonder. Sylvester Stallone, Jason Staham, Bruce Willis, Van Damme, Vin Diesel and Chuck Norris start fighting each other. Other abstract entities, including Death and Eternity, have similarly confirmed that TOAA is Above all other beings in the cosmic hierarchy in the Multiverse. During PR Beyonder's time, the idea of TOAA had never been established. There is still reason to believe You Sothoth exceeds Beyonder. The Beyonders are powerful, but ultimately still finite. A Golden Age Mxyzptlk is pitted against the "Secret Wars" era Beyonder. u/nullfather can attest to that. Beyonder is beyond the universe. But despite the immense power, the chasm between The Living Tribunal and TOAA is infinite. 0. he could just copy TOAA and become the new TOAA himself. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. Phoenixblue. Toba Hulk 7. the Living Tribunal on the other hand is (depends on the current storyline) only defeated by Thanos with Hotu (which is basically TOAA) for a short time and by the pre-retcon Beyonder, who is a different chapter. ' beyonder is millions of times more powerful thsn LT, TOAA, Fulcrum and every other Marvel guy combined. Team Beyonder - vs - Team The Spectre #. Pre-retcon Beyonder was insanely overpowered, and even though subsequent balance adjustments severely nerfed his powers, he still kept his insane reality-altering incalculable strength and much of his superhuman physique. 0. No one can defeat that. Blunt statement, and based on common misconception. Master Chief, Guts, Captain America, Batman, Aragorn, Geralt, Levi and Black Noir vs. By Kevin Irizarry Updated Mar 28, 2023 The Beyonder and the One-Above-All are godlike beings in the Marvel Universe, but one is definitely a more supreme being. and yes, its the considered the strongest character in fiction by all comicbook/anime forums. Comics . #1 quandaledingle. I'm well aware that Beyonder is much more powerful than LT. and also white phoenix cant beat toaa but im sure she can eaither salemate prerecton beyonder r at least beat him through. TOAA in fact survived. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. Suggested by: #scarletking #theoneaboveall #toaaTOAA has no authority on Beyonder, nonetheless, Beyonder was the Supreme Being in the Universe of the Beyonders. That's something more powerful than the Beyonder. Isnt TOBA far weaker and limited than TOAABeyonder was basically God of his own universe (he was his own universe, so basically, he was a young/fresh TOAA comming into being! So he was to his universe/himself what TOAA is to the LT/Marvel U!The Beyonders and TOAA didnt really exist during Pre Retcon time from what i remember but i may of missed them, PRB was basically what the TOAA of the time. What they dream up with goes. I get that TOAA not intervening in the Time Runs Out/Secret Wars saga makes it difficult to confirm but, honestly, TOAA can just remove and recreate the omniverse (as implied in Marvel: The. TLT is a servant of TOAA and is below TOAA in terms of power, TLT is able to turn off the infinity gauntlet in the hands of Adam Warlock and beat people like Protoge with a little help from Scathan, judge people like Beyonder, etc and is above people like Eternity, Infinity who are above people like Galactus or Odin who are above space, time. matchups like these are. Victory Conditions: Death, KO. Beyonder can manipulate the universe at his will, and on top of that, it is part of the reason why. In fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. Even The. If we however assume that Johnny isn't just above Deku and Bakugo where Deku and Bakugo. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. The Presence stated that even he was shaped by “external” forces, whereas The One Above All is the one who shaped everything. SCP-682 (SCP Foundation) vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Fight ends only in Death. Marvel's cosmology and hax are shit. The Beyonder is supposedly TOAA of a different fiction all together an even more complex fiction at that. I don't think he means all of them just the one true Supreme being. Forum Posts. Even if TOAA tried to lose I don't think it could. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. #28 ovy7. 5 characters that can beat that living tribunal,marvel characters who can defeat the living tribunal,4 characters that can defeat celestials,5 marvel cosmic. the spectre with the presence backing. Beyonder. This is like putting TOAA against an ant. 9. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. He is True Omnipotent inside. The-One-Above-All (also known as "Above All Others" or ''God'') is the overarching protagonist of the Marvel Universe. Well unless we scale all Buddha “feats” from real mythology. The thought of Beyonder defeating SCP 3812 because he was able to destroy a billion universes is laughable. Recall the first being that we met who called itself a Beyonder.